Home repair

Comment here if you have questions to ask or information to offer about repairing and fortifying your house and yard. Topics to include: basement windows, ductwork, floor drains, good contractors, bad contractors, finding a contractor, the cost of services.

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Unknown said…
Thoughts on filling in basement windows with either cement or glass block? Barry at Home Healthy Rx (who Mike and Sarah used on their whole basement) says it will help. He's charging $450 per cement fill in and $650 per glass block fill in.
Unknown said…
Thoughts on getting a sewer backflow valve installed in the basement? The supposed advantage is that it would prevent sewage coming back up your sewer line. But a) are they rickety and break easily for the cost? b) would it prevent draining in case of flooding? Is it worth it?
HolyokeN said…
I got a quote from Tri-State Basement Repair. My issues include installing secure windows, encapsulating a newly revealed crawl space, and sealing up some also newly revealed gravel trenches sitting above existing drain tile. The man said I needed an entirely new drain-tile system (why I don’t know) and returned with a quote for $14,000. As far as the windows went, he talked about taller window wells (which didn’t make sense to me on various levels), cementing the space in, and glass block. He quoted glass-block windows at about $600 each, but also said that he couldn’t guarantee that they wouldn’t leak unless I also installed drains in the window wells, for additional money yet.

After that, I spoke to my niece’s husband, who’s a sanitary engineer. He thought glass-block windows would be OK, though he’d put window well coverings over them or take some other measures that would prevent them from being struck by stuff floating on flood water. (I don’t see why a window-well cover wouldn’t just wash away, but maybe one could apply Plexiglas?) He mused about aquarium glass, but came down on the advice “Don’t over engineer it.” If the water gets to a certain depth, it will find its way in regardless, and you might as well relax.
HolyokeN said…
One more thought: If a bunch of us are getting glass-block windows, we could gang the order. Getting a good installer is supposed to be important. There are some places outside of Madison that might travel if it was worth their while.
Eg., https://www.securityglassblock.com/about/
https://ulbdrywaterproofing.com/blog/benefits-glass-block-windows/
https://www.milwaukeeglassblock.net/
Although the local people may be perfectly fine.

Unknown said…
This is a link to FEMA approved building materials. My intention is not to suggest flood plain designation or not with this post, but it does provide guidance to materials that are most likely to withstand water.

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1502-20490-4764/fema_tb_2_rev1.pdf
HolyokeN said…
On other fronts:

If you have precious books and papers that you’ve set aside, hoping to rehabilitate them, a network of friends recommends this outfit:
https://www.midwestfreezedry.com/

I’m looking for a concrete guy willing to fill in a trench 54 feet long and 4 inches wide. It seems not to be a dream job for people who normally do driveways. Any ideas?

In some street conversation, somebody knew the best paint for basement walls. Katie P, was it you? What was that, pray tell?

I’m getting Duerst to reinstall some insulation. I liked the guy who came out.

I’m talking to Zander in Monday, and in theory Badger Basement Repair, from Fort Atkinson, the last week in October. I think I got that name from the restoration firm that works with American Family (Paul Davis). I intend to ask about windows. Will report back.
Unknown said…
I'm hiring Duerst for insulation as well. I've worked with Lee Duerst to insulate a different home in Madison and thought they did a great job and have recommended Duerst to several friends. I'm very loyal to good contractors and he is one, in my book.

He's going to use spray foam insulation at the 2' flood cut level to the floor and blown-in cellulose above the flood cut. After we opened up the walls, we found that a lot of walls had never been insulated so I will use this as an opportunity to have it done well and hopefully save future money on reduced heating bills.
HolyokeN said…
Great to know! I remember now that Lee mentioned having put in a bid on work for you as well. He was thinking that if he could do the two jobs at the same time it would be convenient, but I've been antsy to get my crawl space closed up, so he's coming Monday. Thanks for giving me the feedback.
Unknown said…
News generated as a result of Hurricane and flooding in NC, but there are still points and tips relevant to our own flooding:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/flooded-home/?utm_term=.a088d3cb21f0
Unknown said…
The link embedded in the article is really good:

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/topics/family_home/hazards_and_threats/publications/wet-floodproofing
HolyokeN said…
Just had a guy here from Zander, which does waterproofing. He’s giving me a quote for closing up windows with ½ inch concrete board, but he said that in his experience glass block holds OK. Zander just don’t do masonry.

Unlike TriState, Zander is willing to seal up my open drain tile and extend it a bit, to take care of a nagging seepage leak.

I had this house tested for radon when we first moved in, and it was fine. But I understood this guy to say that I should have done a second test once drain tile went in. I’ll do one now and hope not to learn that I’ve been breathing bad gas for 20 years.

Finally, Zander doesn’t recommend battery-backup sump systems. The batteries generally aren’t strong enough to keep the pump going. A really high-end battery-backup might be OK—for $3000—but at that point a person might as well just buy a generator.
Unknown said…
Thanks Nancy for taking the time to write all that, it is super helpful and interesting! When we bought our house there was a radon remediation system installed with one suction (?) point. When we put on the second story (with no change in house footprint) we were told we should get it retested. We did, and the radon came back high again so we had to have the remediation system enlarged with a second suction point added. I think after any major-ish work, one should probably have it rechecked, especially if you have little kids.
HolyokeN said…
I seem to be the blabbermouth. I'm a writer for a reason.

NOW I can’t resist telling you guys that Badger Basement Systems—the outfit in Fort Atkinson that asks you to sit in a queue for two months just to get someone to look at your house—just sent me a book called “Dry Basement Science.” It consists of 107 glossy, full-color pages covering everything from the “Outer Limits” (“what can—or should—be done outside”) to “Seeing Daylight” (“getting the windows right”) to “Crawl Space Hell.” It’s a major-league advertising piece, well-designed, well-written. I intend to read it, even though my main reaction is, What kind of advertising money produced this thing? I see that it’s available on Amazon (Rank: #1,613,564 in Books) for about $15. The default POV is “buy buy buy”—you must, you should, it’s best to—but there seems to be some good information, too. It kind of puts things all together in one place. So lord knows … The subtitle is all gravitas: “What to Have Done … and Why.” The last two words are both italicized and bold-faced.
HolyokeN said…
Laura: This FEMA publication says yes on back-flow valves.

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1756-25045-8598/protecting_home_book_508compliant.pdf
Unknown said…
Nancy: Thanks! I just got a bid for that for $1300 from Pertzborn. I think the Petykowski's got a bid for $1400 from Monona plumbing. We still haven't decided what to do since I wanted to hear back from more people, so that is super useful advice!
Unknown said…
Actually Pertzborn recommended both the back-water valve and a new sewer stop in the floor drain. The sewer stop in the floor drain is quite cheap. But, I can't figure out if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
Unknown said…
Sorry for writing too many comments today. One more thing I keep wondering is whether it is bad to totally seal up the basement by closing windows with cement block or glass block. I have seen quite a few materials that suggest that if you make it too watertight, then the foundation can cave in because the water puts too much pressure on the outside. Some sites recommend "wet floodproofing." See for example this website: https://www.fema.gov/wet-floodproofing In that FEMA pdf that Nancy sent a few hours ago, in the section called "sealing openings in walls" it says: "Note: shield height generally should not exceed 1 ½ feet above ground level. Exterior water deeper than 1 ½ feet could push the walls in if there is no water inside to push back with equal force." But if we close our basement windows, then it will be shielded much more than 1.5 feet high, and then are we at risk of the foundation falling in? Hmmm...

Also, page 38 of Nancy's pdf talks about those sewer stops. I think I am going to take that off the Pertzborn request since they don't sound like the best idea. What a handy document Nancy, thanks!
HolyokeN said…
There are a few more here, including one specifically on backflow valves.

https://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/13261

The one on mitigation has yet MORE links, eg., to a document on retrofitting existing homes.
Unknown said…
I'm having Benjamin Plumbing come out this Friday to give me a quote on a backflow valve and possible sump pump (don't know where the water pump out to, though). I'll ask about the feasibility/usefulness about a sewer stop, too.
Unknown said…
Too bad we can't just edit our comments... I also meant to put in that all the reading I've seen is that 'wet' flood proofing is better for your home. Basically, repair the home to make it comfortable but use materials (ie closed cell foam insulation) that will be easier and less expensive to deal with should your home be flooded again.
Unknown said…
I just finished a walk-through in my house with Carl Anderson, the Village Inspector. He told me that he just found out yesterday that building permits will be issued at no-cost to homeowners affected by the flood. He also told me that cement board is not fire-rated and therefore cannot be used to replace the flood-cut drywall in my attached garage. It might be different for detached garages - I did not ask.
HolyokeN said…
What will you use instead of cement board in the garage, Gloria? Will you have Duerst do any insulating?

I didn't have the drywall cut out in my garage. It looked fine at the time. Mistake. I saw yesterday that it's getting moldy. Now I have to get some new people to come in and cut it out—unless I lose patience and go out there and do it myself.
Unknown said…
That cement board is not fire rated sounds strange to me. We were recommended it by multiple people and then I googled it and found this which makes it sound like it is fine: https://www.hunker.com/13401634/fire-rating-of-durock-vs-drywall
Unknown said…
Jacoby Waterproofing is putting installing drain tiles and 2 sumps in our basement and crawl spaces. There quote is much lower than Zander.

The $15K from Tri-State seems really high.
Unknown said…
Also if any of you are taking on insulation projects, I suggest you work with a contractor that is can provide before and after analysis to apply for Focus on Energy Rebates. They also need to be listed on their approved vendor list.

I just had Steady State Solutions LLC in my house last week. It is $300 initial/$150 post test, but we are hoping to get up to ~$2K-5K in rebates (note we also have vermiculite so some money will be from funds for that removal)

https://focusonenergy.com/residential
HolyokeN said…
Jacoby. I'd forgotten that name. They did the drain-tile system in my house about twenty years ago, which is still working, despite Tri-State's desire to re-do it. I don't have my quote from Zander yet on patching my holes but will call Jacoby, too. I have some dim memory of a big guy who smoked a lot being in charge of things. I didn't see how he did such heavy work even then. If he's still at it, I'm amazed.

I'll check out the energy audit, too. Thanks, Kyle.
HolyokeN said…
I had a prolonged email exchange with Brian Berquist, the Village engineer. It took me a while to focus my head on what I really wanted to know.

I wrote:

"Should I think in terms of keeping flood water out or letting flood water in? I had water to the ceiling of the basement. Was the pressure on the foundation so extreme that if I hadn’t had windows—if there hadn’t been water inside, pushing out—the walls would have buckled? Maybe having the water inside was a good thing?"

He replied:

"Yes I can imagine you and your neighbors are wrestling with what to do in the future. It is impossible to know if any particular wall would have buckled had the water stayed outside because each home would have a different structural capacity.

I am not aware of any wall buckling of the Shorewood Hills homes that did NOT get their basements filled with floodwater, so I would generally say it is better to keep water out. As we had been discussing the real questions is how high up can one person water-proof the home while still living in it.

We did see a few older homes in Mazomanie, Black Earth, and Cross Plains that had buckled basement walls that were typically the block-style construction.

In the end I suggest the first decision to be made by a property owner be “will water get this high again?” If you think so, then I’d suggest waterproofing as high as you think is reasonable. If on the other hand you view the August 2018 flood as more of an outlier, then I would just make sure the basement windows have a window well as high as the top of basement wall as a more defensive measure.

Regards,"

Email me if you want the full exchange.
Dan Noguera said…
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Dan Noguera said…
Permit fee reimbursement: RG Heating and Monona plumbing are giving me the full reimbursement of the permit fees. This information may be useful in case a contractor does not want to honor the full reimbursement.

Dan

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